Kurzweil:Dead Letters June 1998
From Sonikmatter
40: Re: How to _avoid_ creating dependent objects?
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:27:53 -0700 From: John Ruf <johnr@SR.HP.COM> Subject: ########## 40: Re: How to _avoid_ creating dependent objects?
Here's some clarification on the recent discussions. I believe all the messages missed this basic point:
Dependent objects are ANY objects, not in the ROMs or standard PRAM locations, that are needed by the current object you are saving. Or another way to say that is, any objects that would go away if you do a hard reset. For example, if I edit my standard wood flute program (from my Contemporary ROM) and then save it in the first available program location (say, #200), I have created a program that is in a user location (it will get erased if I do a hard reset). Now, if I create a song using this new program #200 and a standard program (#770 from my piano ROM), that song has a dependent object. If I go save the song object to disk and tell it "yes" to saving dependent objects, it will save the song and program #200. You can verify this yourself by using disk load mode and OPEN the file and see that it contains a song and a program. Note, however, that it did not save the other program that the song needs (#770) because it knows that is not going to get erased.
Dependent objects has nothing to do with whether it is in the "same bank" or not, nor whether it is a ram sample or not (samples are simply the most volatile of the objects).
56: Re: anyone know what this means?
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:40:20 +0200 From: <simon@CNM.ES> Subject: ########## 56: Re: anyone know what this means?
You cannot load any virus in the Kurzweil. Viruses are little executable programs that you cannot load in any synth. And also they are made in assembler, this means that they can only execute in a machine for where they were created. The PCs virus can only execute in Intel 80x86 CPUs. You don't have to worry about virus in your synths. Worry about your computer.
161: Re: foot switch program change
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:14:19 -0700 From: John Ruf <johnr@SR.HP.COM>
Subject: ########## 161: Re: foot switch program change
ADJake@AOL.COM wrote: > > Simple question, I hope. > > OK, I'm at a live gig... I'm on Setup 210... I want to change to setup 211 > with one of the footswitches (probably fs2). Then, I want to change to 212... > and so on... > How do I set this up??
Yep, easy. Go to the CONTROL SETUP (I think the default one is 97) and
look at the foot switch programming page. Pick the switch you want to
use and set it to control the DATA INCR signal. This will act like
pressing the + key in whatever your current mode is.
I have all 4 footswitches plugged in so I use the 4th one to do this. Caution, the default setup uses footswitch 4 to toggle MONOPHONIC mode (single notes) for some programs, so changing this setting would take away that control.
Make sure to only assign it in one zone because it will increment once for each time it is assigned.
-JR
240: Tip: realistic brass sforzandos using VAST
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:17:14 -0000 From: tclarke <tim@LOUDMOUTH.COM> Subject: ########## 240: Tip: realistic brass sforzandos using VAST
In the spirit of recent contributions to this list, I'd like to make my little contribution!
I just discovered a cool technique using VAST to improve a simple brass (or woodwind) sforzando patch. This technique actually improves the dynamic movement of any brass or woodwind patch.
I use the Roland Orchestral sample library, and I'm always needing expressive brass patches which do more than the straight samples will allow. I like the sound of brass sections when they hit a note hard, and immediately back off to a quiet volume level, and then slowly grow in volume (a sforzando). I like to have control over the "swell" time, so I was looking for a way to achieve this with VAST. The Power translator disks have some patches that attempt to do this, but don't get quite the sound I'm looking for (I'm extremely picky!)
My first attempts at this were to start with the most aggressively loud Roland brass multisample I could find, and assign Mod Wheel in the amp page to src1 with -20 dB of gain or so. I then would assign the 4-pole lopass w/sep in alg. 1 to the mod wheel as well, so that as I move the mod wheel up, the filter closes and the volume decreases.
This is close to what I've been hearing in my head, but doesn't quite cut it, because the filter has too sharp of a cutoff. This makes the swell sound unnatural because you can hear the cutoff freq as the filter closes.
The technique which I discovered recently for solving this problem is to assign the Mod Wheel to depth in the Resonance page with the maximum value of -30 dB, which makes closing the filter very transparent as you add more modulation! This little technique works magic!
I now use this technique on all of my sforzando brass and woodwind patches, and it's very effective!
VAST on,
Tim
282: Re: Problems with DMTi!!Swapping Channels!
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:56:29 +0200 From: Michael Feller <michael@FELLER.M.UUNET.DE> Subject: ########## 282: Re: Problems with DMTi!!Swapping Channels!
Hi Randall,
regarding the DMTi problems i meanwhile had some direct mailing with KURZWEIL which may be interesting for you. I fear there are unresolved problems in the ADAT-interface card for DMTi.
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From: KURZWEIL <KURZWEIL@aol.com> To: plan-b@feller.m.uunet.de <plan-b@feller.m.uunet.de> Date: Freitag, 22. Mai 1998 16:41 Betreff: Re: Re: problems with KDS Out
>I just found out yesterday that early, unreleased versions of the ADAT card >for the DMTi had the Left and Right switched. However, that was supposed to be >fixed before the options were released. Perhaps you got an early version > >The engineers here at R&D have just requested that they be sent a shipping >version of the product so that we can test it to see if the current cards >exhibit this problem. > >I will let you know what we find out >
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During further usage of DMTi we found another problem, which makes DMTi more limited in a fully digital studio.
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From: Michael Feller <plan-b@feller.m.uunet.de> To: KURZWEIL Support <KURZWEIL@AOL.COM> Date: Freitag, 29. Mai 1998 11:39 Betreff: New problems with DMTi..
>besides our already discussed problem of exchanged channels on the DMTi >ADAT-interface (see mailing from 23.April + 11.Mai 98) we have found a new >problem. > >We want to establish the following scenario: >A Korg Z1 Synthesizer with ADAT optical digital interface card is sending >data to the DMTi with ADAT extension board. The DMTi ADAT optical output >(from the same DMTi extension board) is connected to a Yamaha 02R with ADAT >optical input card. All three units are synchronized by external WORD-CLOCK >connection with BNC-cables. The DMTi is used as Wordclock-Master (48kHz). >The problem is: As soon as one of the input selectors on the front-panel of >the DMTi is switched to one of the ADAT input channels there is no more data >flow on the whole DMTi. > >For testing we changed the scenario: >Korg Z1 Synth ADAT output connected to Yamaha 02R ADAT input. Then signal is >internaly routed to the 02R ADAT output and send back to the DMTi ADAT >optical input. In this configuration there is no problem: the returned >signal can routed e.g. to the AES/EBU outputs on the DMTi. > >So, why do we need an application like this? >Because the Z1 ADAT-interface is only using channels 1-4 (in fact we only >use 3&4) it would be very useful to insert the DMTi interface in the ADAT >channels and feed channels 5-8 with digital sources from AES/EBU or >KDS-input (actually from our K2500RS). The result is a much more effective >usage of our input channels on the 02R mixing desk. >
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...and the answer from KURZWEIL was:
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From: KURZWEIL@aol.com <KURZWEIL@aol.com> To: plan-b@feller.m.uunet.de <plan-b@feller.m.uunet.de> Date: Freitag, 29. Mai 1998 16:28 Betreff: Re: New problems with DMTi..
>This setup must be telling the DMTi that the sync settings of the MDM and the >DMTi do not agree. That is, the source of ADAT optical input data is not >indicating that the proper sync settings are being used. Also, the word sync >select jumper on the ADAT option needs to be set to use the ADAT word sync >from the 9-pin cable. > >The MDMs cannot operate on different clock rates for input and output. >Therefore, the DMTi was designed to force selections that guarantee different >clock rates do not occur. The DMTi has no way of knowing the coaxial Word >Clock is synchronized to the MDM. Remember, it thinks there is an ADAT out >there. I believe this is discussed in the manual. >
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We can't find any discussion in the DMTi manual about this limitations.
With ADAT-XT and Yamaha 02R we had no problem with different send and receive devices, if they are working on the same clock-rate and properly external synced. At the moment we are using DMTi only with the AES/EBU outputs, which are working fine.
Sorry list for this lengthy message, but i think, all DMTi user should know about limitations.
Regards Michael Feller PLAN-B Medienwerkstatt Munich/Germany
369: Re: KDFX: PAUs per Effect
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:21:36 EDT From: KeySolutns@AOL.COM Subject: ########## 369: Re: KDFX: PAUs per Effect
You are correct and incorrect. Many of the effects algorithms are multi- effects, like chorus/delay/reverb or dist/flange/delay and you could have each of these on their own buss independently.
The distadvantage is that these "multi" effects are typically going to use up more of your available PAU's.
On top of that you also have a global AUX buss that any of the 4 FX busses can share.
Its more flexible than anything else I've ever seen in an effects processor much less ever put into a keyboard. I'm certain you won't be disapointed.
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so in essence then, yes..........
it can only push a total of 4 different effects at one time.
TOTAL!! right?
if so then my assumption was correct about the limitation. I thought the KDFX was going to have 4 seperate "multi" effects processors....meaning that you could have a row of effects for each stereo buss.
example given.....
bus-1 (outputs AL & AR)----reverb, compression, flange, etc.
bus-2 (outputs BL & BR)----ringmod, compression, phaser, etc.
bus-3 (outputs CL &CR)----delay, reverb, gate, etc.
bus-4 (outputs DL & DR)---multi-tap delay, envelope follower, flange, etc.
oh well....its still going to add alot more to VAST and still worth the price...and in conjunction with RESAMPLING with EFFECTS...and will definitely be worth it.
<vex> >>
407: Re: SERIOUS HELP with program changes.
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:59:34 -0400 From: Dhiraj Bhattacharya <dhiraj@UU.NET> Subject: ########## 407: Re: SERIOUS HELP with program changes.
>im doing a live show on friday and need to know if there is another way to >quickly change and rearrange sounds on each of the midi channels. >
I've been struggling with the same challenge for a while. The best way I've
found so far (step by step):
1) Setup all the channels as you please first (select each channel, assign the program you want, turn it on/off ... etc.)
2) Then save the MASTER table to disk. The Master table holds all the info regarding channel setup any many others. You can name the file according to the song it represents.
3) Before each song load the corresponding file. If you do it with a SCSI drive of some sort, it should be pretty fast. Floppy will be ok too but, of course, not at fast. Once the file loads, your K will be setup for that song just as you programmed it.
This is what I'm doing for my gigs, and I love it.
>Im not sure but, is there a way to create a dummy song that will
>automatically switch all your sounds for you when you simply flip the wheel
>to the next song??
I've tried this without success. I couldn't figure out how to send program changes for each channel in song mode. Still working at it though but not as much since I've figure out the Master table thing.
By the way, the song mode is pretty cool! Especially the ARRANGE feature! I just blew away some friends by playing a complete bass line with backings just pressing one key! Took me some doing to figure it all out though.
Hope this helps.
Dhiraj
414: Re: SERIOUS HELP with program changes.
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:56:09 -0700 From: John Ruf <johnr@SR.HP.COM> Subject: ########## 414: Re: SERIOUS HELP with program changes.
<vex> asked:
> im doing a live show on friday and need to know if there is another way to > quickly change and rearrange sounds on each of the midi channels. > > I know of the following methods. > > 1>program changes sent from my sequencer. however this will not work for me > since im using an MMT-8 sequencer. This unit only sends program changes from > 1-127 and does not support BANK program changes. And alot of my sounds are > in the upper 300-500 range.
You can use the method of sending 2 programs changes in series to get to any program you want. If the K receives a program above 99 it interprets it as a bank change. I don't have the manual in front of me, but I believe that 100-109 correspond to banks 0 to 9. So, to select program 845 you would send PRG 108 then PRG 45.
> Im not sure but, is there a way to create a dummy song that will > automatically switch all your sounds for you when you simply flip the wheel > to the next song?? IF so then THIS IS MY ANSWER!!. But im not sure how to > use the song mode. Funny enough...as much as I know about everything else in > the damn machine....the sequencer has still to elude me.......(maybe if it > switched patterns on the fly without restarting and better timing, id look > more into it)
This should work too. You could either learn how to use SONG - EDIT - EVENT to enter the prog changes directly at the beginning of each track, or you could use a more convienient method: Go to SONG mode to create a new song, for each channel select the desired program, press the MIXER button (shows a mixer for 8 channels at a time), then press KEEP which will record the current volume, pan, and program settings at the beginning of each track. You may need to have some data in the track for this to work (start recording and press a single note lightly at the beginning). This could be a note or any control change such as a very slight pitch bend (up one, down one), use something that will not be noticed if you were to press PLAY on the song. You could set up tracks like this in a number of ways (do one track then copy to the other 15, etc). The real power here is the MIXER - KEEP buttons to easily set your initial settings.
Now, you need to understand that all these settings are recorded at the very beginning of the song at 1:1.000 and when you select a song, nothing actually happens until you press STOP. At that point it transmits everything in the tracks at time 1:1.000. Why only when the song stops? Probably designed that way so that just scrolling thru a list of songs does not send unnecessary data. I'm a little fuzzy about whether it also transmits these settings when you press PLAY, you would think so, but I always select the song then press stop to reset everything.
I have worked quite a bit with the sequencer and find it reasonably powerful once you learn it. I've built up songs a part at a time, and used the step recording method to key in parts not in real time. Editting to make small corrections is easy enough, but if I had to make a bunch of corrections, I usually just re-record over the desired section. I have found the track mode editting to be very powerful, using it to bounce tracks around, transpose, copy, even adjust dynamics. I find that the K2500 sequencer is a good alternative to my computer sequencer and that they sort of complement one another. Some things are much easier on the K2500, other things on the computer, but both can do the job.
-JR
440: Re: SERIOUS HELP with program changes.
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:55:07 EDT From: KeySolutns@AOL.COM Subject: ########## 440: Re: SERIOUS HELP with program changes.
I missed the begining of this thread, but maybe I can clear some things up.
QAccess mode is designed for a live performance situation. (though it can be used in the studio too) Using the number pad you can quickly select with 1 button the Setup or Program that you want from the QA bank.
Kurzweil instruments are always in Multimode. Emu's instruments also work in this very same manner. However you CAN save your "multisetup". Go to the disk page click Save then scroll down and select Master. This will save the current setup, of OUTPUTS, VOLUMES, PATCHES....etc.
Again, missing the beginning of this thread I'm wondering what the difficulty is in sending programs changes from a sequencer....can someone explain?
Mike Martin http://members.aol.com/k25zone
462: Re: SERIOUS HELP with program changes.
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:59:11 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford <tomr@INTERPORT.NET> Subject: ########## 462: Re: SERIOUS HELP with program changes.
>im doing a live show on friday and need to know if there is another way to >quickly change and rearrange sounds on each of the midi channels.
>I know of the following methods.
>1>program changes sent from my sequencer. however this will not work for me >since im using an MMT-8 sequencer. This unit only sends program changes from >1-127 and does not support BANK program changes. And alot of my sounds are >in the upper 300-500 range.
There is a very very simple solution -- the Kurzweil designers clearly foresaw this (I've had this problem too...)
It's called Quick Access banks.
You should really read the Quick Access stuff in the manual, but the idea is: suppose you are using programs 311, 723, 12, 999, etc in your show.
-- set Quick Access mode for program changes from the MIDI page -- create a quick access bank called 200 (say) -- enter patches 311, 723, etc as the entries in the QA bank 200. -- now program change 0 will send you to 311, PC1->723 etc.
You can do 128 programs that way... you could even switch QA banks half way through the show if you needed more.
Contact me if you have any questions... the manual covers it pretty clearly (amazingingly enough!)
/t
505: Re: SERIOUS HELP with program changes.
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:39:20 -0400 From: Geoffrey Mayer <geoffrey@BRIGHT.NET> Subject: ########## 505: Re: SERIOUS HELP with program changes.
<vex> wrote (Thursday, June 18, 1998 11:52 pm):
>2>the SETUP and QA Access MODES are again great ways to easily access >mulitsetups...BUT...... >the SETUP MODE only supports 8 ZONES....what happens with the other 8 midi >channels?? LOST...USELESS!! make NO SENSE!!! >And then the QA Access mode only supports 10 entries!!! AGAIN whats the >point here if you cant use all 16 midi channels when your using the SETUP >and QA modes??? Am I missing something here?
I'm not sure I understand your problem with the QA mode only having 10 entries.
First, it's ten entries per bank. Second, the entries don't correspond with MIDI channels. Third, you can call up programs or setups from QA banks. Perhaps if one setup assigned programs to channels 1-8 and another setup assigned programs to channels 9-16, you could call the two setups from two QA bank entries, thus setting up your 16 channels with two button presses. Then if you always used two setups to organize your channels, you could have 5 configurations per QA bank.
Geoffrey Mayer geoffrey@bright.net
415: KDFX Installation
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:50:50 EDT From: Kurzrep@AOL.COM Subject: ########## 415: KDFX Installation
Kurzweilers
I have received a number of emails from people asking if they can install KDFX themselves. I understand that many of you are more than comfortable installing SIMMS and even ROM blocks, both of which are relatively simple procedures. However the KDFX installation has several more critical steps and even some of the Kurzweil reps had difficulty with this installation. Let me explain why I recommend that you DO NOT try to install this yourself.
The first step in the KDFX installation is to install additional Flash ROM memory. The new operating system is considerably larger and requires this extra memory. Depending on the revision of your K2500 there are different ways to do this. But the process basically involves installing two small square Flash ROM chips. If these are handled or installed improperly, you will destroy them and you won't be able to proceed with the rest of the installation.
The next MAJOR and crucial step is to provide power to KDFX. In this case a splice has to be made on two the wires coming off of the main power supply. We provide a unique splicing tool that helps you tap into these wires, however there is NO ROOM FOR ERROR.
Also before this procedure is done, you also need a voltmeter. You have to measure the amount of power going to the display on the K2500. After you've provided power to KDFX, you then need to use the Voltmeter to make the correct adjustments to the power going to the display. If you don't do this, the display could become illegible.
There is also addition work and perhaps modifications to be done if you have the sampler installed on your K2500.
Beyond the physical portion of the installation, a new BOOT Loader has to be installed, then a new OS, then the procedure for installing objects has also changed.
Again, I highly recommend you have a service center perform the installation of KDFX. Please don't attempt this yourself, as you could damage both KDFX and your K2500.
Sincerely,
Mike Martin Kurzweil
